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Animal Rights vs Animal Welfare

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Aug. 25th, 2010 | 08:35 am
posted by: blueheron in very_vegetarian

Or: PETA vs The World



So, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has followed any of my postings that I am heavily into animal rights. So, wanting to check what other outreach and activism that was being done in my city before embarking on my own (it is better to join forces where possible, right?), I had a look at various social networking sites and came across one that look(s|ed) promising: The Montreal Animal Rights Activists Group.

Enter this thread.

(The rest of my post in the comments so as to not bias people before they form an opinion).

So: What are you thoughts? Who do you agree with? Why?

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Blue

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from: blueheron
date: Aug. 25th, 2010 12:35 pm (UTC)
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The problem? I haven't met anyone in the group yet who is actually fighting for animal rights. It seems that everyone is fighting against one thing: cruelty.

Now, I am all against cruelty. In fact, I would say that most people are against cruelty (though, our consumer habits wouldn't reflect that, but that is another story!), but... I don't think that it is worth arguing against cruelty because cruelty itself is not the root cause of the problem: Our societal acceptance of the use of animals for trivial reasons is, and that is facilitated (heck, garaunteed) by their status as property.

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Jennifer? As in...Lucifer?

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from: chains_of_irony
date: Aug. 26th, 2010 09:16 am (UTC)
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I think that the right not to be a victim of cruelty is a right. So you can't say they're not fighting for animal rights - they're fighting for a very specific right. The human rights movement works the same way in many respects.

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spyral_path

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from: spyral_path
date: Aug. 25th, 2010 06:44 pm (UTC)
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I agree with you that the problem stems from the belief that it is okay to use animals for human purposes. I also believe that fighting against cruelty is an important aspect of the animal rights movement. The world is not going to go vegan overnight and in the mean time if the best we can do is get better conditions for animals we have to fight for that. I belive that getting people to acknowledge that animals should be treated humanely is the first step in getting them to realize that animals do not exist merely for human pleasure. That said, I can't understand why this group is so dead set against incorporating vegan outreach and education into an anti-circus demonstration. It doesn't make any sense that they wouldn't want to attack the root of the problem.

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jessicajukebox

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from: jessicajukebox
date: Aug. 25th, 2010 08:58 pm (UTC)
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I think that both arguments are very valid. The heart of the issue is that animals are not meant for humans to use however they see fit. i agree with that 100%. I don't feel as though fighting for what I understand to be a ban in using animals for circus entertainment is counter productive to the vegan philosophy.

I am a vegan, and I do my best to educate people about veganism and the ethical basis of the movement. Animal welfare is a part of that. When people start thinking about suffering, even as far as a single instance, it makes it possible for them to consider suffering as a whole. While it would be great to have a mass conversion to veganism and an end to exploitation, I don't think that it is as practical as ending it one step at a time. I think the little victories will pave the way for the larger ones. When we stop elephant abuse in the circus, it will begin to be widely recognized as a cruel and archaic practice. And that can be used to drive people to consider the realities of the other instances of animal exploitation, until they are all seen as cruel and archaic.

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jessicajukebox

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from: jessicajukebox
date: Aug. 25th, 2010 08:58 pm (UTC)
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And by abuse, I mean use at all.

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